Fact checkers awry on Trump and nuclear proliferation

latimes“Donald Trump has repeatedly said he is OK with more countries having nukes.”

—Headline from LA Times fact check, Oct. 4, 2016



PolitiFact 2015“Donald Trump wrongly tweets that he ‘never said’ more countries should have nuclear weapons.”

—Headline from PolitiFact fact check of Donald Trump, Nov. 14, 2016



Does Donald Trump favor nuclear proliferation? Saying a nation may benefit from having nuclear weapons carries a different meaning than saying a nation should have nuclear weapons. Fact checkers who do not make that distinction have failed in their fact-checking.

Background Facts

Fact checkers from the LA Times and PolitiFact, as well as NPR and the Associated Press, have helped popularize the idea that Republican Donald Trump favors proliferation of nuclear weapons to Japan, South Korea, and even Saudi Arabia.

The fact checkers have supported their arguments based on a small set of statements from Trump. The set of four evidences we look at comes from PolitiFact’s Oct. 5, 2016 fact check of Republican vice-presidential nominee Mike Pence.

The New York Times interview

The most prominent evidence the fact checkers used to show Trump favors other nations getting nuclear weapons comes from Trump’s interview with the editors of The New York Times, published on March 26, 2016. Trump was asked whether he would object to South Korea or Japan developing their own nuclear arsenals.

Trump did not answer the question directly. So a different editor asked another version of the same question, this time asking whether it was reasonable of the South Koreans (or Japanese) to want their own nuclear deterrent if the United States appeared to waffle over its defense commitments: “Is that a reasonable position. Do you think at some point they should have their own arsenal?”

Again, Trump offered no clear answer. But Trump mentioned that allies receiving weak support from the United States would likely discuss obtaining a nuclear arsenal regardless of U.S. opinion. So the Times’ editors pressed: “And would you have an objection to it?”

And yet again, Trump offers no clear answer. He says North Korea’s possession of nuclear weapons presents a problem, and that it may be better if Japan has its own deterrent.

By our reading of the exchange, it concerned a long-term view. We encourage readers to take the time to read the relevant part of the interview. The length of it discourages us from quoting it all, and Trump’s meandering replies make concise paraphrasing difficult.

The Republican Town Hall with CNN’s Anderson Cooper

A Republican town hall event in Milwaukee on March 29, 2016 saw Trump giving the same type of meandering answers, affirming his opposition of nuclear weapons and nuclear proliferation while at the same time entertaining the possibility of a future where South Korea and Japan might have their own nuclear weapons.

CNN host Anderson Cooper repeatedly pressed Trump on the point, suggesting it was contradictory to oppose nuclear proliferation while seeing a potential positive in South Korea or Japan possessing nuclear weapons.

As with the Times’ interview, Trump spent many words expressing himself but without achieving perfect clarity. Therefore, we again recommend reading the full lengthy exchange to confirm our summary version.

Fox News Sunday

Trump appeared on April 3, 2016 on “Fox News Sunday” with host Chris Wallace. Wallace played a clip from Trump’s town hall event, then suggested Trump’s policy would result in a nuclear arms race on the Korean peninsula.

Trump repeated the essence of what he said at the town hall, then denied Wallace’s suggestion and said he would prefer the current state of affairs with respect to nuclear proliferation (bold emphasis added):

TRUMP:  You already have it, Chris.  You already have a nuclear arms race.

When a guy like Kasich gets up and talks about, Trump wants to give everybody missiles — I don’t want to give missiles.  And by the way, I’d leave it the way it is, ideally.

My number one choice is, leave it the way it is, but they have to pay us because we cannot afford to continue to lose the billions and billions of dollars that we’re losing in order to defend Japan and Germany and South Korea and Saudi Arabia.


Wolf Blitzer interviews Trump for CNN

Wolf Blitzer’s interview of Trump aired on May 4, 2016, on “Anderson Cooper’s 360 Degrees.”

BLITZER: But you’re ready to let Japan and South Korea become nuclear powers?

TRUMP: I am prepared to — if they’re not going to take care of us properly, we cannot afford to be the military and the police for the world. We are right now the police for the entire world. We are policing the entire world.


Later in the exchange, Trump reiterated his preference that Japan, and presumably South Korea, forgo pursuit of their own nuclear weapons and instead up the amount they pay the United States for its military protection:

A lot of people like to say, oh Trump wants Japan to arm. I don’t want them to arm. I want them to reimburse us for at least the cost. Now you could say it’s worth more than that. But at least reimburse us for the cost.


Analyzing the Rhetoric

The LA Times and PolitiFact both erred in their attempts to fact check this issue. The Times used an argument reliant on words that shifted in meaning while ignoring contrary evidence. PolitiFact made a one-sided argument supporting its conclusion.

The Times’ equivocal approach

The LA Times built its argument by drawing an equivalency between accepting an outcome and advocating that outcome.

In the vice-presidential debate that led to the Times’ fact check, Democrat Tim Kaine charged that Trump wants more nations to have nuclear weapons. Here’s how the Times presented that exchange:

Kaine said that Trump has said that more nations should have nuclear weapons.

“He never said that,” Pence said.

“He absolutely said that,” Kaine replied.


In the very next line, the Times substitutes its own goalposts for the ones Kaine offered:

Trump has repeatedly said he was amenable to more nations having nuclear weapons, and that it was inevitable.


The Times’ “amenable to” phrasing matches the gist of its headline: “Donald Trump has repeatedly said he is OK with more countries having nukes.”

Is that the same as saying more nations should have nuclear weapons?

You want a filet mignon but you’re okay with a sirloin. So what you really want is a sirloin?

The LA Times passes off the acceptance of a less-preferred option as the preferred option. That counts as sloppy reasoning and fits the pattern of a fallacy of ambiguity. The Times compounds its error by ignoring Trump’s clear statements where he says he would prefer nations pay for U.S. military protection and not develop their own nuclear weapons.

PolitiFact’s one-sided approach

PolitiFact achieves a one-sided approach to this fact check by simply ignoring contrary evidence.

PolitiFact’s concluding paragraphs tell that story succinctly:

Pence said Trump “never said” that more nations should get nuclear weapons.

Trump has said some countries, namely Japan and South Korea, might be “better off” if they were to develop nuclear weapons, given their proximity to North Korea.

However, he has also said — often in the same interview — that he opposes nuclear proliferation in general.

We rate Pence’s claim Mostly False.


First, PolitiFact established the topic of its fact check: Was it true Trump never said more nations should get nuclear weapons?

Second, PolitiFact reviews its evidence: Trump said some countries might be better off with their own nuclear arsenals. As we’ve shown above, saying some countries might be better off is not the same thing as saying they should get nuclear weapons.

Third, PolitiFact reviews contrary evidence: Trump said he opposes nuclear proliferation.

Fourth, PolitiFact ignores the contrary evidence, finding its weak affirmative evidence strong enough to call it “Mostly False” that Trump never said more nations should have nuclear weapons.

The evidence, with context considered, shows Trump saying he favors non-proliferation, but allows that ill consequences for the United States do not necessarily happen if nations like Japan or South Korea get nuclear weapons.

As its end result, PolitiFact reinforces the impression that Trump favors nuclear proliferation despite his clear statements opposing it.

Notes on the fact-checking method

What accounts for fact checkers focusing on Pence in this exchange instead of Kaine?

Did Trump “absolutely” say more nations should have nuclear weapons? The approach the Times and PolitiFact use hints that Kaine’s statement counts as “Mostly True,” the inverse of Pence’s “Mostly False.” But could that conclusion follow, given Trump’s clear preference for fewer nuclear weapons and keeping things as they are?

Didn’t Kaine mislead the audience by taking Trump’s comments out of context? Isn’t it a fact checker’s job to point out such things?

Our survey found no mainstream fact checker that pointed out Kaine’s deception. FactCheck.org came the closest.


Fact checks by the LA Times and PolitiFact served their readers poorly.

“Donald Trump has repeatedly said he is OK with more countries having nukes.”

True Statement icon FallacyIcon Ambiguity icon Out of Context

The LA Times’ headline is true in the context of a plan b scenario. But it leaves the false impression, through ambiguity and the use of quotations taken out of context, that Trump simply favors nuclear proliferation.

“Donald Trump wrongly tweets that he ‘never said’ more countries should have nuclear weapons.”

False statement icon One-Sideness

“Should,” in this foreign policy context, communicates the idea of a best option. Given options A, B and C, the one Trump favors is the one he thinks ought to occur. PolitiFact calls the option Trump does not favor the option Trump favors, which is false.

Lacking any justification from PolitiFact for its odd weighting of the evidence leading to its false conclusion, we charge PolitiFact with a fallacy of one-sidedness.


Correction Nov. 26, 2016: In the section on PolitiFact’s one-sided approach, we referred to “North Korea” where “South Korea” was intended.

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